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[sorcyress]

MOM: I think you should stop going to school. I think you should just stay home and become an ignorant slut!
ALY: What?! Ignorant, I can deal with, but slut...
MOM: Well? How else do you expect to make a living if you don't go to school.

My family rules.

~Sor
MOOP!

Comments

[bfudlmint.livejournal.com]

Does this mean she isn't going to college for her MRS degree?

[swingerzetta.livejournal.com]

Funny, for me, it's the ignorent part I'd not be able to deal with :P

[marcmagus]

Ditto that.

[lonebear.livejournal.com]

yes. Yes it does.

[jarne.livejournal.com]

I haven't had a full day of school since second grade. There's no way in hell you can match my ignorance or sluttiness. :P

[helionaut.livejournal.com]

Ha!

[grimclown.livejournal.com]

Humorous exchange, but I can't help but geek out here: sluts aren't capitalists, so they don't necessarily make a living from their proclivities. A whore on the other hand, will receive financial reward from foregoing formal education and therefore a future in academia, and instead learn a more corporeal financial endeavor.

Hence, the setup for the proscribed punchline would be, to use the common vernacular, "...just stay home and become an ig'nint ho'!" Please inform your mother so she may amend her verbage.

Thank you for your time and attention. You are free to move about the cabin.

[werewulf.livejournal.com]

Well at the time, since she's only 14 I was sort of thinking that she'd have to be in training for the "ho" thing which is why... slut.

You're correct though and in the future I'll be sure to suggest that my daughter take up the honourable profession of strumpet rather than the hobby of slut.

Howls.....

[heptadecagram.livejournal.com]

Meta'd (http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/6023233.html)!

[thorog.livejournal.com]

Aha! You were around this morning!

I'll have to get into contact with you sometime. I am to enquire about Mrs Dash, a spice/seasoning thing we can't get over here.

[tolkienkookad.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

My family...so insane.

[marcmagus]

"Jane, you ignorant slut!"

[heptadecagram.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I was really tempted to post the YTMND for that.

[mommyrex.livejournal.com]

Yes, your family rules.

But I'm going to take issue with the implication of the argument herein presented (i.e., go to school or you must sell your body to live).

This is next on my reading list, zooming as we speak from Amazon to me:
The Teenage Liberation Handbook (http://www.lowryhousepublishers.com/TeenageLiberationHandbook.htm)

I'll tell you if it's a load of bull.

[ducks for cover after presenting subversive material to someone else's kid]

[jarne.livejournal.com]

The Teenage Liberation Handbook is a nice read, but I wouldn't recommend going as far as Grace Llewellyn suggests. You also have to have a lot of self motivation to pull off even a light version of her homeschooling/unschooling. That being said, you should totally homeschool your kids if you think you can do it.
*Jarne will answer any more questions about homeschooling if you have them*

[mommyrex.livejournal.com]

We are novice homeschoolers (oldest is 7), with an unschooling/self-motivated bent.

I always love to read about other people's homeschooling ideas/experiences. Sounds like you're pretty new to this stuff, too? I don't write much about our homeschooling, but I'd gladly friend you for a chance at keeping up with your thoughts on your new freedom.

[jarne.livejournal.com]

I'm actually in my eighth year of homeschooling. Feel free to friend, but I've neglected my Livejournal for most of this year.

[mommyrex.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes, second grade to Sophomore ... somehow I read "second" as "9th" the first time around. I can't really blame that on my traditional education. ;)

You are friended, and I'll remember to ask you when I need that seasoned, teenage homeschooler perspective.

[jarne.livejournal.com]

Excellent! Feel free to ask on any subject. The best bit of advice I can give you is to find other homeschoolers in your area ASAP if you haven't already!

[kdsorceress.livejournal.com]

But I'm going to take issue with the implication of the argument herein presented (i.e., go to school or you must sell your body to live).

Please do! I've known Jarne (see commentthread) for several years now, and of course, I know you and your kids, and homeschooled kids certainly seem to be doing a fine job of growing up.

Mum's original comment was completely in jest, however, which I dunno how well translated. Neither of us meant any offense, of course.

~Sor

[mommyrex.livejournal.com]

No offense taken ... just the reflexive gagging at the ideas that schooling=learning and that life requires schooling.

You mean your mom wasn't actually suggesting that she find a brothel that offers work-study programs?

[tolkienkookad.livejournal.com]

Its been like that for me for a while...I'm still confused about how conformed school is.

What I meant by "I'll just stay home and be ignorant" Is that "I'll just stay home and work on my book" Which is the only profession I am considering nowadays.

[jarne.livejournal.com]

If you want to focus on writing, then you definitely should consider homeschooling. If you do do that, though, don't give up on your other academics.

[garnet-rattler.livejournal.com]

~Modern school systems are primarily about indoctrinating the ~inmates~ with the expected socio-cultural background of the local system (sometimes a national one; in the US, usually a more regional varient). This includes standard lies about the history of that system and book lists made by exemplars of it as well. Education, beyond the absolute minimum for participating in, and being de-resourced by, the major corporations, is incidental.

Education, particularly in the intelectual sense, is mainly done by reading, critical analysis thereof, and experimentation in various realms. This is most easily done Outside the institutional structures. Schools certainly delayed my education and didn't do me much good socially either until 11th grade, when I decided that my project for the Spring would be understanding the interactions and social meanderings of my classmates and their various friends, relationships, etc., which had previously been mostly incomprehensible to me. I saw patterns, but they made little or no sense and so were harder to roll with.

It took me most of a year because I foolishly kept expecting at least a tiny bit of rational, logical structure to the whole mess. Once I got over that, it was fairly easy to understand, just very hard to put up with. I still have to put a lot of effort into appearing to conform because the reality inside me, as in the rest of the world, don't remotely match the pseudo-world viewpoint most social structures assume.

Staying in school without letting it drag you down into slavish conformity is, sadly enough, excellent practice for later life. Even if you will live away from most people and write only personally acceptable novels and work exclusively through a clueful publisher, you'll still need to be able to deal with fans and book tours if you want to make a decent living and have a house of your own. It is Very Hard to avoid ~them~ All of the time without becoming a hermit and having NO social interactions.

[jarne.livejournal.com]

This is the problem with homeschooling. I can neither confirm nor deny what you say. Personally, I can say that I've known kids who have thrived intellectually in a public school environment and kids who have turned into conformists in a homeschooling environment, but they both seem to be exceptions to the rules.

[garnet-rattler.livejournal.com]

There's enough range of variation in humans to allow for the Possibility of overcoming most environments, and even gaining things from bad ones. Most folks can't manage it, however, which is why everyone should be given as many options as possible, IMHO. It lets them use the talents they do have.

I was very fortunate in one way, in that my parents understood that schools have to be good in order to not make things worse. Thus I went to an excellent primary school and one of the top high schools in the US, while completely avoiding the local public school system, then rated as the worst in the lower 48 states. As well, there were more books in our house (around 20,000 when we moved during my 10th grade year) and my grandparent's house than many a small bookstore, and a better selection as well.

My father worked in a local university, so I got to meet with a lot of the academic and admin. people from there over the years as well. In fact, one reason I met so many of them was that I ended up being the bar-tender for their parties, as Dad was glad-handing and schmoozing and Mom was cooking and dealing with the infrastructure of the party. I was a very good bar-tender by the age of ten, at least according to the deans. Amazingly, to me anyway, I avoided falling into a bottle long-term like too many folks I knew. This says a lot more about the situation than I'd like, too.

No matter how good the schools, it doesn't replace the learning From parents and relatives, though, which was largely missing as an option in my case. They just pointed at the bookshelves or suggested a library. Homeschooling Could be a good answer to that. But not everyone who is nominally homeschooled really gets a well-rounded education, or even as good a one as the local school system might give. All too often, it's used as an excuse to keep a kid home to babysit a sibling or avoid dealing with social services.

Despite the good schools, it could have been substantially better. More clue on my parents' part would have helped, not to mention on mine, and likely could have compensated for worse schools. Mostly, I just read up on things and ignored what they told me, as they really didn't have much idea what went on in my head and didn't want to know.