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So! One of the traditions that I see occasionally is the idea that, with the new year, we shall ban particularly egregious traditions and customs from the old year. This can include terrible word choice, particularly painful pop sensations, or actions and behaviours that have just outgrown their usefulness. I am looking at you, Macarena. It's been well over a decade, no one should remember how to do you anymore.

I support this general idea, and as such, I'd like to present a short list of things that I have encountered too often in the last years, and would like to see diminished in the upcoming ones. Please do your part.

1) The phrase "man up". I totally stole this one from Liss, but she's right: it's a bad phrase, and it needs to leave the lexicon.

2) Teaching theory professors who say things to imply that learning disabilities are analogous with special needs. Yes, there is overlap, and yes, particularly severe LDs can be thought of and treated like more traditional special needs. But the implication that no mainstream student could have a learning disability is damaging to those students who won't get the help they need, insulting to the special needs students who *don't* have learning disabilities, and unhealthy to the classroom as a whole, which would benefit from a wider variety of teaching methods, to accommodate the certain wide variety of learning styles.

Learning disabilities happen. They generally mean the brain doesn't process certain information delivery systems well. Don't have a whit to do with the rest of the brain's ability to be smart and clever. For example, I can learn just about anything you want me to, so long as you don't try to give the information to me in a solely auditory fashion.

3) The concept of small-penis-as-insult. I've been guilty of this too, in the past, but I mostly got over that nonsense, oh, in high school or so.

See, penis size has very little to do with sexual satisfaction. I mean, I know I'm just a stupid prudish virgin who doesn't know what she's saying and won't at all know the joys and importance of a huge cock until she's been properly deflowered, but in all seriousness, I've encountered a fair number of boys, and of varying sizes. If they were into the whole pleasuring me thing, I generally got pleasured. Hoo-boy, did I ever get pleasured. If you know what I mean.

(I mean sex. In case that wasn't clear.)

And in my experience, size hasn't seemed to have much effect on my ability to pleasure them either. So, if you want to call a dude an ass, or insult his sexual prowess, try "lousy in bed" instead of "small dick". Because the two aren't anything close to the same thing.

3a) The idea that a huge cock is somehow an amazing thing, and if you land a guy with one, you have clearly Accomplished Something.

Especially since, unless I'm also dating him, I don't ever need to know the size of your boyfriend's package. Ever. Or, if you're the guy in question, the size of your package.

What's next, bragging that your boyfriend is tall? Fan-fucking-tastic. You must be so lucky.

4) Not apologizing for hurting marginalized people's feelings. Or, at the very least, even if you really do think you are absolutely one hundred percent right, and whoever it is is overreacting, not going and listening and learning and thinking about what you did.

5) Ke$ha. I've never heard her music (small joys) but there seems to be an awful lot of talk abotu someone who doesn't provide any actual use, as far as I can tell.

6) Any question asked by someone with access to the internet that could best be answered by the phrase "JFGI".

ETA: 6) People who don't know how to use the xkcd Tech Support Cheat Sheet and so therefore ask me stupid questions that involve me wasting *my* time solving *their* problems.

Also, people who think that I'm a COMPOOTER GEENUS! Hint: I'm not. I just understand google and the merit of pushing buttons and reading menus until it does what I want.

(See j7y's comment for further explanation of why I changed this)[/ETA]

7) People who don't know the meaning of JFGI. It _is_ the twenty-first century. Here, I'll give you a leg up: The first word is "Just". The third and forth words are "Google It".

8) Me not ruling the world. Seriously, it's been like twenty-one years. Why hasn't this happened yet?

What do you wish to have banished now that it's the far-off future of 2011?

~Sor
MOOP!

Ban this, Ohyes.

on 2011-01-07 02:35 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] harena.livejournal.com
Well, not so much banish but having people learn the distinction between "Being able to make beneficial decisions on/about a special needs child's life" and "Being able to deal with the day-to-day care of a special needs child". Because, man, there are those who simply cannot delineate between the fact that i am perfectly capable of making decisions towards Josh having a high quality of life and being utterly incapable of taking care of him myself on a daily basis.

. o O (oh, i can't imagine what set me off on this >.>)

Re: Ban this, Ohyes.

on 2011-01-07 03:13 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] kdsorceress.livejournal.com
*hugs*

*gives you a cookie*

You're wonderful Har, and I hope everything can work out.

~Sor

on 2011-01-07 02:37 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jere7my.livejournal.com
This.

on 2011-01-07 02:39 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jere7my.livejournal.com
(By which I don't mean I agree with your post, though I largely do. What I want banished is people thinking "This." is a sufficient and complete response to anything.)

on 2011-01-07 02:58 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] londo.livejournal.com
There's nothing wrong with a simple "+1" or "I agree" or such - I think they're sufficient and complete if unambitious.

But they're not *necessary*, and for some reason I find "This." to be the most obnoxious variant.

on 2011-01-07 03:32 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] werewulf.livejournal.com
It's funny but I"m kind of charmed by "this" posts. Maybe at age 49 I just see fewer of them, but when I see them I really get the "I SO totally agree with you" vibe out of them.

on 2011-01-07 02:38 am (UTC)
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It took me a few minutes to get JFGI. I am acronymically challenged and typically have to ask for definitions of every abbreviation (or JFGI! I am amused that I almost had to do that very thing to figure out its meaning). No idea whether it's linked to my particular learning disability/slow processing issues or I just suck at deciphering them.

on 2011-01-07 03:24 am (UTC)
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I would like to ban websites coming up with more complex but less user-friendly interfaces. Just leave it simple unless there is a function that needs to be addressed; it will work for everyone and not induce headaches. So many times the negative of upgrades outweighs the positive. The example that comes to mind is google, actually.

I need recommendations for a good search engine to use for images, because their new style is so off-putting to me that I can't look at image search results for longer than one minute. When it first came out, what happens visually when scrolling did cause headaches for me, on one occasion even a borderline migraine, and while I've adjusted somewhat, I still can't look at it for long.

on 2011-01-07 02:43 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jere7my.livejournal.com
I am somewhat swayed by the argument (frequently presented by my wife) that "JFGI" can stifle discussion. If everyone can whip out their smartphones and find out what the Beatles' first #1 hit was, it short-circuits friendly, rambling discussions about what the Beatles' first #1 hit was, the point of which isn't really to discover that fact but to reminisce about Beatles hits. Not saying nobody should ever Google anything — God knows I Google at the drop of a hat — but for certain people and situations it might lead to less interesting conversations.

on 2011-01-07 02:59 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] kdsorceress.livejournal.com
Hum.

I more or less agree with you there, and I'm going to have to figure out how to restructure my post a little bit. My biggest problem with it is when people are trying to solve problems, and instead of taking the very simple solution and googling the answer, they waste someone else's time asking them for the answer instead. If you're saying "the pictures won't appear in my powerpoint" and asking someone else in your class to fix it for you, rather than googling "images won't appear powerpoint" or some similar variation.

Obviously, if googling something doesn't work, outsourcing the question to other people (or to professionals, that's why tech support exists) would possibly help. And certain things can't easily be googled --the difference between "is there a restaurant in this area" and "is there a _good_ restaurant in this area" for instance.

I think what I'm really trying to get across is the fact that it is 2011, the internet in its present form has existed for fifteen years, can we _please_ all learn how to use the xkcd tech support cheat sheet now?

~Sor

on 2011-01-07 05:37 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mrbelm.livejournal.com
This. (http://blog.belm.com/2009/01/23/me-vs-google/)

on 2011-01-07 03:07 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] londo.livejournal.com
Hey, do you know anything about forming ice on the face (http://books.google.com/books?id=7papZR4oVssC&lpg=PA310&ots=erWZafsL4_&pg=PA310#v=onepage&q&f=false)?

on 2011-01-07 02:56 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] londo.livejournal.com
On the one hand, I agree with 1). On the other hand, it has a mere two syllables and is really pleasantly concise, and thus difficult to purge entirely from my lexicon until I can find an alternative phrase that's anywhere near as... efficient.

on 2011-01-07 03:01 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] kdsorceress.livejournal.com
I'm kinda liking "level up", which someone suggested in the Shakesville thread. Though it is an additional syllable, and I'm not sure if it gets across quite the same degree of "get some courage and get over yourself" that "man up" has.

I'm willing to entertain suggestions. It's not a commonly used phrase in my lexicon, but it's certainly one I find situations in which it could be appropriate, if it itself wasn't so inappropriate.

Unrelated, are you gonna be at Arisia?

~Sor

on 2011-01-07 03:06 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] londo.livejournal.com
level up

Dude, I *approve*. (Related question - if the phrase is otherwise appropriate, do you think it's good or bad etiquette to deploy the phrase "man up" at an FTM friend?)

I'm running an area again, it would be supremely poor etiquette to not show. Flying 5000 miles roundtrip to *do* it, but... yeah. I spent NYE morning going pricing with [livejournal.com profile] mrbelm.

on 2011-01-07 03:18 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] kdsorceress.livejournal.com
Offhand, I would guess it to be rude to use "man up" at an ftm friend, as it somewhat comes across like "You're not currently enough of a man" which would be hurtful to someone who already has to regularly deal with people invalidating their gender.

(I think it'd probably be just as rude to use on an mtf friend, for similar reasons)

***

Oh right, I think MrBelm mentioned that the last time we talked. Excellent, I'll have to give you a hug or something. 'Cause, you know, I've only spent like half a dozen nights in your house this semester or something. *is creepy*

~Sor

on 2011-01-07 03:27 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] londo.livejournal.com
I have just consulted with the one friend I was thinking of when I wrote that, and the verdict is that (in his case) if it came with a clear assumption that he was capable, but hadn't done it yet, it would be a compliment of sorts. Not sure this reflects to the general case.

***

Have you spent more nights in my house than I have? Because right now my dollars-paid-to-nights-slept ratio is... unfortunate.

on 2011-01-07 05:15 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] nurrynur.livejournal.com
*laughs*

Kat has spent the night 3 times, I think, so.. not quite :)

on 2011-01-07 03:58 am (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jere7my.livejournal.com
How about "grow a pair"? It could refer to ovaries!

on 2011-01-07 03:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mogwit.livejournal.com
I frequently use "grow a pair" in conversation. Sometimes with the word "gonad" involved.

on 2011-01-07 03:06 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] whimmydiddle.livejournal.com
JFGI is not without merit, but should be applied with consideration given to the circumstance, because it can also be enjoyable to converse with people pretending G is not a resource.

on 2011-01-07 03:15 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] kdsorceress.livejournal.com
I think I mostly agree with this --see jere7my and mine's comments above. I've changed the original post slightly.

One of the things that amuses me most is a friend who is very disappointed in the existence of Google, because he used to be the guy you'd call randomly to ask who the lead singer of an obscure cover band was.

~Sor

on 2011-01-07 03:25 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mekthehatter.livejournal.com
Hey, man, I don't try to get rid of Lady GaGa. Leave Ke$ha alone.

PS: I approve of "level up" as a replacement of "man up". I don't actually use "man up" all that often (off the top of my head I use it somewhere around the frequency of never). What I do use, which is not actually synonymous but is similar, is "suck it up".

on 2011-01-07 06:16 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] tirerim.livejournal.com
I think "suck it up" is probably closer to the general meaning of "man up" than "level up" is; at least to me, the implication of both of the first two is that the person in question already has the ability to do the task in question, but merely requires the gumption, whereas "level up" implies that they need to improve their skills in order to be able to accomplish the task.

on 2011-01-07 02:01 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mekthehatter.livejournal.com
I think that there are instances where people use "Man up" to mean that someone needs to gain the skills(/confidence/whatever) to do a specific task, and that's the particular usage I've got more familiarity with. So, in that case, "level up" would be more appropriate than "suck it up". The differences between the two situations are negligible, though.

on 2011-01-07 01:57 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mekthehatter.livejournal.com
PPS re #8:
I think you already do rule the world, we all just haven't caught on yet.

on 2011-01-07 03:32 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] muzikmaker21.livejournal.com
I'm a big fan of GFE- Google Fucking Exists.

on 2011-01-07 03:52 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] macaroniandtuna.livejournal.com
Alys (and potentially other people) will call me pretentious for this, but:

5) Ke$ha. I've never heard her music (small joys) but there seems to be an awful lot of talk abotu someone who doesn't provide any actual use, as far as I can tell.

applies to a large number of the popular "artists"/bands/"musicians"/"singers"/etc. out there, I think.

As for actually answering your question:
1) Fox News and all its lies
2) anti-intellectualism, especially in the political sphere, which often leads to
3) partisanship/groupthink/holding to the party line (by which I mean the same idea both in and outside of just politics) for its own sake
4) the whole idea of "consumerism," including the word itself. It just grosses me out, mostly because "consumer" oftentimes just means "person" as though they are and should be one and the same.
Posted by [identity profile] myarbor.livejournal.com
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+jfgi

Employment Suck

on 2011-01-07 07:15 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dhs.livejournal.com
Or perhaps just suckfulness in general.
Posted by [identity profile] woozle.livejournal.com
No time to read the comments to see if I'm repeating anything (will do later), but...

I always took #3 as referring to an obsession with something that is actually pretty irrelevant (with genital size being both example and metaphor), and dealing with the consequential but entirely unnecessary feelings of inferiority by overcompensating in ways which are just as irrelevant (e.g. loud/fast car).

#6: I think we will evolve new ways to make interesting conversation even when all human knowledge is instantly accessible. The conversations will be deeper, because we won't have to waste time speculating about the facts but can immediately dive into interpreting them. (That said... yes, this may make conversing about very-well-understood-and-thoroughly-documented-subjects, such as The Beatles, less fun. Maybe JFGI should be off-limits for topics of that general nature. Idunno. Run inside and twirl.)

#8: I have a plan, but I need some assistance (at least as far as brainstorming the details) and I'm not good at organizing people.

Seriously.

on 2011-01-07 04:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] lyrwen.livejournal.com
I WAS GOING TO say something but I forgot because it's past my bedtime and I got up in the middle of the night because I woke up and stressed out but then magical fairies had come and answered trolls for me already so now I have nothing to add to that conversation but I AM A BANANA which I feel is unilaterally applicable to all conversations thusly I shalt declare it hear as well. That is all good night.

on 2011-01-07 05:08 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
3) The concept of small-penis-as-insult. I've been guilty of this too, in the past, but I mostly got over that nonsense, oh, in high school or so.

See, penis size has very little to do with sexual satisfaction. I mean, I know I'm just a stupid prudish virgin who doesn't know what she's saying and won't at all know the joys and importance of a huge cock until she's been properly deflowered, but in all seriousness, I've encountered a fair number of boys, and of varying sizes. If they were into the whole pleasuring me thing, I generally got pleasured. Hoo-boy, did I ever get pleasured. If you know what I mean.

(I mean sex. In case that wasn't clear.)

And in my experience, size hasn't seemed to have much effect on my ability to pleasure them either. So, if you want to call a dude an ass, or insult his sexual prowess, try "lousy in bed" instead of "small dick". Because the two aren't anything close to the same thing.


Hm. I always thought of it as the concept that men who act out are overcompensating for their own worries that their boybits are smaller than average? (H2, big sportscar, etc.) So I'm not sure that 'lousy in bed' quite substitutes. Certainly does if one wants to insult his sexual prowess, but not quite the same if highlighting asinine behavior.

Speaking of boybits and girlbits, is it a sign that I'm old that when boybits and girlbits are both available I reserve the wording "having sex" for when one set are inside the other? The second and third paragraphs above makes my head spin, until I make the internal translation to "steaminess or perhaps Oral."

(I do realize that reserving the wording in general gets very weird when there's no possibility of insertive sex given the available genitalia. That realization was in some ways instrumental in my choice to end my virgin status. In retrospect, there were far better men to have made my First, but it seemed right at the time.)

Edited on 2011-01-07 05:10 pm (UTC)

on 2011-01-07 06:30 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] herbertinc.livejournal.com
I'm also still working on groking the linguistic expansion of sex > intercourse. I'm kind of old fashioned though, as well.

I think what makes those paragraphs need a bit more mental translation is the disalignment of the definition of sex inherent in virgin, as used above, and the definition of sex inherent in sex, as used above. But the former seems to be existing primarily for literary effect (as I assume because of the use of "stupid" and "prudish", neither of which applies to the author, but more as a counterargument people might use to undermine her ethos in the post? But I digress.)

I would probably argue that overcompensating can totally imply to being lousy in bed. Because if a guy has a small penis but knows how to use it there is no reason for him to be insecure and overcompensate. I also generally assume that someone who is overcompensating is aware that he's unsatisfactory in bed, possibly from having sexual partners laugh at him or something, but I'm not sure why I have that assumption. (the alternative being that they are unaware or unexperienced of their ability)

I haven't heard a small penis insult in a long time though, actually. It's not one that happens in my social group, and I'm not personally concerned with the penis size or sexual prowess of all those people I'm not at all interested in having sex with, and I don't watch TV.

Warning: possible TMI below
Also, I am always amused by guys who envy (>1 s.d. above mean) large penises in that they probably don't realize that, if they actually get their wish, they'll probably have to spend more mental process than they'd like during intercourse trying not to hurt the poor girl. Things being pounded against your cervix are really not pleasant. (Speaking from the experience of having dated an overly-endowed boy). And, realistically, the ideal penis size and shape for a specific girl depends on the size and shape of her own vaginal tunnel.

on 2011-01-07 06:38 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] herbertinc.livejournal.com
Now I'm remembering those French HIV Use-Condoms PSA videos that were going around. While the girl was bored by the guy with the microscopic penis, she was terrified of the guy who needed the XXXL one, and wasn't even willing to get into bed with him.

on 2011-01-07 06:54 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
hm. that's an interesting point about how one wouldn't need to overcompensate if one knows one is good in bed.

I guess a different question is whether it's women who propagate the big=better meme or whether it's guys who see each other nekked in locker rooms and were going to find ways to tease each other come hell or high water.

On the TMI side, girth is way nice.

btw, I expanded on my original comment: http://kdsorceress.livejournal.com/568064.html?thread=5934592#t5934592
Edited on 2011-01-07 06:55 pm (UTC)

on 2011-01-07 07:11 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] herbertinc.livejournal.com
I don't actually know what the relationship between limp penis size and erect penis size is. For some reason I've always assumed that the variation in limp penis size is a smaller range than that of the corresponding erect penis sizes, but I have no foundation for this assumption. I'd be surprised if someone hasn't done a study, though.

Re: your TMI, at the risk of being too close to a "This." comment, I would like to second it enthusiastically.

on 2011-01-07 07:16 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
Since to me "this" as a comment translates roughly to "This! Exactly! This! I couldn't possibly say it better than it's already been written" I have no problem with "this" comments :)

("I agree with the above comment," OTOH, comes across to me as lackluster and pointless .)

on 2011-01-07 08:03 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] jere7my.livejournal.com
You've put your finger on why it bothers me. "This" goes beyond "I agree" and into "I so totally agree that I can't form a coherent sentence!" Which I could see pertaining once a year or so, when someone's encountered something truly brilliant, but when it's used every day it becomes precious and twee.

on 2011-01-07 08:15 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
Hm. I'm not sure for me it's quite to " . . . .that I can't form a coherent sentence" but yeah, all the time is a bit much.

clarification

on 2011-01-07 06:48 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
Spent a little more time thinking about this. I think, for the college years, I probably would have said, "I am a virgin" to mean "I have not had Sex." Since I was certainly doing a bunch of sexual stuff, I needed a clear line as to what Sex meant, and at the time would have said something along the lines of "Sex = tab A into pregnancy-possible slot B"* I suppose now it would translate closer to "Sex = boybits in one's nethers."

Later on, I realized that were I lesbian I probably wouldn't consider Sex to mean "boybits in one's nethers" as it would preclude ever actually having Sex. And that is when I started thinking that I was artificially maintaining an indentity based on the presence or absence of one activity of a bunch possible.

So I guess the question should really be, "I use the concept of 'virgin' to mean 'Hasn't Had Sex' as opposed to 'has an intact hymen.' It sounds like you define Having Sex differently than I do, and now I'm a bit confused.



*yes, I know that would exclude anal sex, but that was so far outside what I considered on the table it might as well have not have existed. Although I can get my head around (well, and did) the concept of virgin and oral sex not being mutually exclusive, I find the concept of anal sex as a way to maintain virginity very confusing, even though it seems to be a popular method among those who take virginity oaths (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-18-sex-study_x.htm).

Re: clarification

on 2011-01-07 07:09 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] herbertinc.livejournal.com
::hears "Sex = tab A into pregnancy-possible slot B" said in Boris Badenov's voice and pictures Natasha drawing a helpful diagram of it::

::thoroughly cracks up::

I'm not sure if you at all meant it quite like that...

Re: clarification

on 2011-01-07 07:17 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vvalkyri.livejournal.com
:gryn:

Now I've got visuals of HHTTG, for some reason...

well...

on 2011-01-07 07:04 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mrs-pansy.livejournal.com
Re: 5) Ke$ha--how, if you have not heard any of her music, did you come to the conclusion that she offers nothing of "actual use?"

I happen to love the term "man up," but I understand the total subjectivity of this comment. I feel like I am too old to effectively work the phrase "level up," as to me it seems more of a gaming term, and I don't think of myself as a gamer. I especially like applying the term to women; I think, perhaps because of the source, it can be a little condescending when applied to men. But that's just me.

I've never even heard of the xkcd Tech Support Cheat Sheet. I don't know how I have managed so long without it. Oh, wait--yes, I do. I've been bugging people with questions about how to do this, that, and the other thing for years. My bad. Will rectify for 2011.

on 2011-01-09 06:20 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] rakathtalyn.livejournal.com
I dunno about 3a, a really tall guy can get the stuff on those shelves in stores. The shelves designed to hold stuff but don't understand that short people exist, and usually have some amazing treasure up there.

It is why, when I go shopping, if someone who is 5'2" goes "Excuse me, tall sir, can you get me that" and points to some amazing thing on the top shelf I feel exceptionally extraordinary.

I'm tired of hate, I think there was far too much hate in every year before this one and there should be less of it this year.

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